Version of HSIN on At the Beeb

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Post 03-Feb-2014 21:48

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Several tracks on Vol 1 of this seem to be on Vol 2 as well, but the versions of HSIN are different. The one on Vol 1 is listed as being from the 1985 Oxford show, but I listened to all three versions and they all appear to be different. I searched the threads on these boots but didn't see it addressed. Anyone know if the Vol 1 version is mislabeled, and where is the one on Vol 2 from? Thanks.
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Post 03-Feb-2014 23:44 (after 1 hour 55 minutes)

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Not sure what you mean regarding Vol 1 and Vol 2.
There are lots of official studio versions. In addition there is one Peel version. It can be found on a few torrents here. This might help.
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Post 03-Feb-2014 23:46 (after 1 minute)

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More info here.
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Post 04-Feb-2014 01:03 (after 1 hour 17 minutes)

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Not sure what you mean regarding Vol 1 and Vol 2.
There are lots of official studio versions. In addition there is one Peel version. It can be found on a few torrents here. This might help.
I'm referring to the two boots. One called At the Beeb vol 1, and the other called Rarities, B-sides and The Beeb CD2. Ok, so maybe I got confused and there aren't two volumes. The question remains though about the version listed as being at the Oxford not sounding like that one at all. Basically, it's not the same.
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Post 04-Feb-2014 08:48 (after 7 hours)

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Oxford is a live version, recorded by the BBC. It was originally going to be released as a live album but in the end never got an official release although other songs from the same gig ended up as B-sides.
Here's a good quality version of that gig, albeit with three songs missing.
http://smithstorrents.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=2359
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Post 04-Feb-2014 08:55 (after 7 minutes)

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Oxford is a live version, recorded by the BBC. It was originally going to be released as a live album but in the end never got an official release although other songs from the same gig ended up as B-sides.
Here's a good quality version of that gig, albeit with three songs missing.
http://smithstorrents.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=2359
Meat Is Murder live EP, wasn't it, rather than an album?
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Post 04-Feb-2014 09:47 (after 51 minute)

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Okay. A live EP :P
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Post 04-Feb-2014 10:46 (after 59 minutes)

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Okay. A live EP :P
According to PJLM that track was not going to be on the EP:
"Meat Is Murder" live EP
[unreleased; scheduled for summer 1985]
Meat Is Murder (live Oxford 18/3/85)
Nowhere Fast (live Oxford 18/3/85)
Stretch Out And Wait (live Oxford 18/3/85)
UK 7" test pressing [Rough Trade RT186]
Meat Is Murder (live Oxford 18/3/85)
Nowhere Fast (live Oxford 18/3/85)
Stretch Out And Wait (live Oxford 18/3/85)
William It Was Really Nothing (live Oxford 18/3/85)
Miserable Lie (live Oxford 18/3/85)
UK 12" test pressing [Rough Trade RTT186]
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Post 04-Feb-2014 16:32 (after 5 hours)

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Thanks for the info guys, but still not sure if you guys are saying that the At the Beeb HSIN is really the Oxford 1985 version as it says in the notes. Listening to both, there is no way they are the same performance. The 1985 show is the only time they played the Oxford Apollo, correct?
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Post 04-Feb-2014 17:11 (after 38 minutes)

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According to PJLM that track was not going to be on the EP:
You're not taking prisoners today!
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Post 04-Feb-2014 17:21 (after 10 minutes)

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Thanks for the info guys, but still not sure if you guys are saying that the At the Beeb HSIN is really the Oxford 1985 version as it says in the notes. Listening to both, there is no way they are the same performance. The 1985 show is the only time they played the Oxford Apollo, correct?
The 'At the Beeb' version is originally from the John Peel session from 9th August 1984. I ripped it from my original bootleg. Stephane has some more information on it here.
I *think* they only played the Oxford Apollo once but I can't check right now.
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Post 04-Feb-2014 18:32 (after 1 hour 11 minutes)

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According to PJLM that track was not going to be on the EP:
You're not taking prisoners today!
Philip Pedantic that's me!
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Post 04-Feb-2014 19:33 (after 1 hour 1 minute)

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Was it ever established what the Peel Session version is compared to the Hatful/Single version?
Same recording but remixed/overdubbed or a different recording?
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Post 04-Feb-2014 20:00 (after 26 minutes)

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When they were working with John Porter, they would often smuggle in tapes from studio sessions they had done with him and use some of the threads to save time (according to one of the biographers). From doing my speed-corrected version of Demos and Outtakes, I'm pretty certain that this was done with Is It Really So Strange.
The tremolo guitar in HSIN apparently took hours and hours to record. No sampler. Johnny and John played it back through two speakers, stood there twiddling the tremelo knobs and recorded for a few seconds at a time. I think it's a safe bet they didn't go through that again for the Peel session.
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Post 04-Feb-2014 20:05 (after 4 minutes)

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Thanks for the info guys, but still not sure if you guys are saying that the At the Beeb HSIN is really the Oxford 1985 version as it says in the notes. Listening to both, there is no way they are the same performance. The 1985 show is the only time they played the Oxford Apollo, correct?
The 'At the Beeb' version is originally from the John Peel session from 9th August 1984. I ripped it from my original bootleg. Stephane has some more information on it here.
I *think* they only played the Oxford Apollo once but I can't check right now.
I think we are talking about two different boots. The one I got from this site called The Smiths At The Beeb (broadcast on dec 13 2012) says the following in the tracklist:
16. How Soon Is Now ? (Oxford Apollo) 5'22
It is a live version, as you can hear the crowd. The JP 1984 version sounds like a studio recording and is considerably longer. The Oxford performance is 6:13 and has an entirely different ending. I believe the boot you are talking about is the one called Rarities, B-Sides and the Beeb CD2), which was uploaded here in 2006. I guess those putting that broadcast together in 2012 got the date wrong. Whatever, I guess I am done beating this dead horse. :-)
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