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steve ®

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Post 10-Oct-2008 17:57

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Lyceum, London - 7 August 1983
You've Got Everything Now
Handsome Devil
What Difference Does It Make?
Reel Around The Fountain
These Things Take Time
I Don't Owe You Anything
Hand In Glove
Miserable Lie
This is from a 2nd gen tape
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Post 10-Oct-2008 18:00 (after 2 minutes)

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Cheers, Steve !!!
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waterisnat

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Post 10-Oct-2008 18:06 (after 6 minutes)

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Short and sweet... I like it like that! Many thanks for this early outing.
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Post 10-Oct-2008 18:32 (after 25 minutes)

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Thanks very much Steve.
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Post 10-Oct-2008 20:06 (after 1 hour 33 minutes)

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Thank you very much for this great upload!!!!!!
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Post 10-Oct-2008 20:41 (after 35 minutes)

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Thanks Steve!
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Post 10-Oct-2008 23:28 (after 2 hours 46 minutes)

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Wow 13 seeds already, cool, cheers Steve :)
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Post 11-Oct-2008 04:32 (after 5 hours)

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Thanks for the upload, but the fact that the tape noise does not go up to 22khz, but instead is cut off at variable places from 16khz to 20khz tells me that this was almost certainly converted to MP3 or some other lossy audio format at some point. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I've never seen an uncompressed tape source look like that. No matter how many generations old it is, the noise shouldn't be cut off like that. See pic. The noise should go to the ceiling rather than be cutoff at/around the red lines I added.
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Post 11-Oct-2008 06:37 (after 2 hours 5 minutes)

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I have no idea what you're talking about.
I have a cassette tape, which I recorded to wav on a computer using a good dac. I may have applied some noise reduction processing ... I can't remember. I used to do that when I first started, but eventually decided that for most tapes this didn't really help. this was then burned to CD.
Last night I ripped the CD using EAC, and converted to Flac.
No convertion to MP3.
Maybe what you're seeing is something to do with noise reduction.
Doesn't sound like MP3 to me either.
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Post 11-Oct-2008 08:55 (after 2 hours 17 minutes)

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This is what a real MP3 file looks like:-

Notice the absolute cut-off line, not the staggered lines your picture shows. An mp3 converter doesn't make distinctions or variations like that, they can't. They have been designed to remove all sound after a certain point (usually 16,000Hz). Some sound can creep back in when re-converting but the original cut-off line would be very evident.
To me the file you show tells me either a crappy recorder or tape was used at the first or second gen stage or even both, or incredibly bad allignment from the tape heads when recording.
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Post 11-Oct-2008 09:06 (after 10 minutes)

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thanks
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Angelic

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Post 11-Oct-2008 09:34 (after 28 minutes)

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Steve I'll take your word for it, as you've given me nothing but great files in the past. :)
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Post 11-Oct-2008 09:41 (after 7 minutes)

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Since I don't use MP3 encoders I will have to accept what you say is true. However since the real sound ends at the 6,000Hz level, what I said still holds up. It would have to be the biggest heap of junk lossy encoder that removes sound from 6,000Hz and up. Nobody and I mean nobody would use it.
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Post 11-Oct-2008 20:27 (after 10 hours)

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thanks again steve
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steve ®

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Post 13-Oct-2008 08:46 (after 1 day 12 hours)

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we are getting to the bottom of the barrel. I've got a few good recordings that I have yet to transfer to digital ... but there are quite a few shows where there are only average or poor recordings available.
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